Our Pilots are overall Leaders who safely take care of our Team Members and Guests. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. report. Time away from home and on duty? Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. Reviews from Breeze Airways employees about working as a Flight Attendant at Breeze Airways. You have successfully joined our subscriber list. Joined APC: Jan 2006. The offered wages are above-average ates in the United States. hide. The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. Not sure if labor pool for whom the model fits is really large enough to support high turnover baked into the model or can support scale to provide regular flight frequency but we'll see. *No insurance provided. Aviation is amazing!! It seems their target is laid off pilots from Regionals that either furloughed them or the regionals that went under outright. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms And you're worried about the quality of housing? In the past, he has always favored taking care of his employees. Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Maintenance is the number one important. Clearly Breeze has already figured out that people who fall into their trap will regret their circumstances; that's why Breeze is also making them sign a 4-year contract. I do not believe for a minute service will be worse than economy on AA or UA. I'm not sure anything this post really supports the hypothesis that they're underpaid. Hopefully professional pilots will take a hard look at other careers before accepting garbage like this. The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. You get paid to sign up more people to pay union dues. I have no doubts in my mind that they'll increase it in time, but they need a few years of profitability under their belt first so they can justifiably offer higher hours/pay. Over time, these airplanes are to be swapped out with Airbus A220s. And the US would have PRETTY PLEASANT FRIENDLY SKIES again. There is not a lot to do these days in an aircraft cabin. So much whining and squealing. Not discussed here is the difference between flight hours and duty day. Off topic, sorry. Getting paid $30-$40,000 isnt enough to keep most from leaving after a year. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. It sounds to me like I am reading a history book about people who had to work in company housing, buying at the company store - another day older and deeper in debt. How far can this avalanche go where the top 1% get ever greater portions of the wealth, while the rest, well we dont think about them. Forgot to add to my previous post that it is two person corporate housing with private bedrooms (think Residence Inn by Marriott, like SkyWest training). Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), Here is JetBlue Airways pilot pay scale for the same airplane. The Breeze growth story is extraordinary. But make sure you ask the a million question, even the stupid ones BEFORE you sign the contract. Why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. pilots @AA, UA, DL = NYC cab drivers. Every Friday Saturday, and Sunday of the month. I sure appreciate it. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. anything less than market rate? Landing June 2023. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. And Coke Zero, make it a large. I'm assuming Breeze knows there's going to be a number of unemployed pilots and $77K+ a year is better than unemployment benefits. Great idea. Nice, new and nonstop. Breeze Airways Hello! Alaska Airlines Business Card Review: 70K Miles & Lufthansas Boeing 787 Business Class: Exactly As Expected. You seem to be an angry young man. 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. My view is something of a combination of many of the other posts. Profitability is how many dollars you make your investors, i.e. The $1200 a month is not really a salary, but rather a stipend for a college-like experience while interning as FA part time. People forget that people have different life circumstances than their own. Feel sorry for the FAs but this guy could be either a genius or just throwing at the wall to see what sticks. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. Don't knock it - they may be seeing how they can yield sufficient FA's before they go a different route entirely. Maybe we should let other adults be adults, and them have the freedom to figure out what works well for their own lives. As for the FA's..they will definitely be lined up around the block for a job like this with those benies. You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. A union can negotiate for the whole group, unity makes force. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. I'm sure Breeze will find plenty of young, naive college students who sign up for this, not realizing what they are getting themselves into. Where do I sign up? The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. Breeze Airways PAYSCALES CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly) FIRST OFFICER PAY SCALE (Hourly) PAY CALCULATOR (Click and drag the sliders) Pay Rate: $150 Credit Time: 75 Hours Bid Periods: 1 Percentage: 1 $11,250 PAY NOTES Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours PER DIEM Scheduled pay raises: Yearly First year SkyWest pilots make more than Breeze pilots. CORRECTION for the above; should be as follows: - like airlines based in countries that still allow for hiring and firing based on age., Apologies for the error! Sure, theres the free market, but this also seems borderline exploitative. Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. Breeze will be a low cost carrier primarily operating point-to-point routes that arent currently served. I think they are going to offer a lot of things people actually might want to pay for, deliver them speedily and in a high quality way, and make it attractive to buy multiple products. I wish more airlines provided housing options. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. We live in a free market economy. Why Do Airlines Oversell (& Overbook) Flights? Its schedule, price, loyalty program. Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry. Even brands that truly tried to build a better experience (jetblue, alaska, virgin (rip)) eventually competed mostly on price. And a minimum of 40. All rights reserved. We wont pay for nice things. Good luck with that. The benefit of getting on right now at Breeze is seniority in the future. This wage is above the federal minimum wage, includes housing and a $6k tuition credit. The airline is expected to start selling tickets any day now, and I know many of us are curious about what the Salt Lake City-based carriers first routes will be. If a pilot gets into a successful start up, the long term benefit to quality of life could be substantial and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Our model gets smarter over time as more people share salaries on Glassdoor. All applicants are required to have at least 1,500 total hours with 1,000 hours of. I think it will succeed as long as they can attract enough flight attendants on an ongoing basis. And their policy looks discriminatory to me as it seems to (without directly saying it) exclude any older, experienced flight attendants and those who are married. *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. The estimated additional pay is $797 per month. And which also clearly states that there will be no contract renewal. Yes, I'm probably talking about you dummy. As in, Gompers? This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. NB: there's a pilot shortage. Maybe 3 hours. Breeze Airways Pilots are responsible for ensuring safe and timely flight operations in accordance with all Company policies and Federal Aviation Regulations. The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! Your slip is showing. Attn: Airline Pilot Central Yep.when there is an emergency on board and seconds or mistakes can mean the difference between life and death, what I want is a bunch of 20 something overgrown teenagers with absolutely no investment in their jobs in charge! Please use the form below to submit updates and corrections to the airline information found on this site. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. Or maybe the extension to San Francisco's Oakland Bay Bridge, built entirely in China, shipped across the ocean in pieces, and bolted together by 100% American union labor for a living wage. may be it is totally moronic. Are they also going to have INTERN PILOTS to fuel this business plan? An initial slate of 39 routes across 16. Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). Low fares. Airline startup Breeze Airways is set to offer Pilots uncompetitive pay in comparison to the rest of the airline industry. $1200 per month is a crime. Free housing with huge tuition reimbursement. Also, let's be honest: COVID is a new reality for pilots. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. As the app is described: That app, Neeleman says, is designed to convince customers to shell out for upgrades and extras, from food to rental cars, which Breeze is depending on to turn a profit. It's that, or these guys and their families starve. Kinda like this site makes money signing people up for credit cards. Being paid $1200 a month automatically means that these FAs will have to be going to school as required AND probably working a second job to make ends meet. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. These skills are essential for them to be able to take the next step in their careers and lives. And if I had a time machine I would go back and slap, poor, poor me silly and tell me to redirect my attention to the unlimited opportunities that were sitting right in front of me every day I drove across the lake and clocked into work. *No insurance provided. Started by JetBlue founder David Neeleman, Breeze Airways' inaugural flight from Tampa, Florida, to Charleston . They know how lousy the job market is right now, and Im sure they have a very good idea of what the numbers are going to look like, not only now, but in the coming months and years when it comes to out-of-work pilots. New or retreads? Generous contracts of yesteryear reflect a pre-COVID world that is nothing like the current situation. Login Support. The systems are good at remembering my preferences though. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. And I agree with the fellow poster RE: all very young kids, limited work experience not what Id want in an emergency. Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! Is this essentially age discrimination? I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. So, before any taxes at all, they would be looking at $20-30/hr. Spirit flight attendants are generally better than AA and UA. Wondering about pilot recruitment/requirements. Most professionals are comfortable with the idea of a starter job, and aren't looking for a father figure in their employer to guide them gently into old age. Bottom line: Supply and Demand principles are at play. Housing and travel to/from work provided. Once the market rebounds they will have to adjust the MMG to remain competitive. *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. There are many young people that lack the $$ or choose not to go into debt (student loan/s) for a traditional higher education. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands I know these FA's will not be scheduled for overnight trips. The starting and long-term salaries offered by Breeze Airway are as follows for First Officers and Captains: First Officers: $55 an hour raise to $94 an hour by the sixth year of employment, Captains: $117 an hour raised to $143 an hour by year six of flying with the company. Actual flight time? I'm willing to bet that they will start service to Tampa. If a for-profit-company hires someone and calls an "intern," that person is still an employee and subject to all of the requirements of the FLSA, Merge the Starbucks model into an airline. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? What does the department of labor think about this? Wasn't aware of breeze low pay scale. (E-190) Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. Within a few years, she decided ENT surgery would be somewhat more interesting work and spent more than a decade training up at a resident wages that most union folk would scoff at. A great position to have in your 20's while you work towards advancing your education or other opportunities. Also, Breeze Airways may be a good solution for a pilot who only wants to rack up 55 hours each month with a lighter workload. This is cynical exploitation at its worst and I hope that the public recognises this and vote with their feet. Are They Worth Taking? As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. S C A R Y. If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. Maybe wait and see? This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the minimum hour guarantee as a point of shame and quickly set up union representation. I'm curious how many days on-call per month they have. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. FO Adam absolutely nailed it. If you are a green bean rookie like Cricket than you will imagine that you have won the lottery.. Must be at least 23 years old at the time of hire, Must have 1,500+ hours total time (not including simulator and/or Flight Engineer time), Current First-Class FAA Medical Certificate, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, High school diploma or equivalent educational achievement, FAA Unrestricted Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate with airplane multi-engine class rating, Must have a minimum of 3,000 hours fixed wing time. That 20-hour difference each month makes a huge difference in annual salary, regardless of the hourly rate offered. At the end of the day your skill set is only worth what the market will pay. It will be interesting to see how this twist in offering a perpetual/consistently youthful corps of flight attendants at Breeze versus those with (decades of) seniority at other airlines plays out, thats for sure. I worked for the now defunct Bar Harbor Airlines in the 80s. I suppose they could be selling the dream of having high seniority at the airline as it grows, with hope of better pay in the future, but. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. Founded in 2018, Breeze Airways was advertised to become the Worlds Nicest Airline. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. I considered myself a professional and definitely grew with my profession.. All union issues aside I find it interesting that he has singled out the flight attendants specifically.. Nobody even knows what the work culture, training will be like at this startup, yet look at all of the certainty in these comments already.